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Voters pass both referendum questions, raising $875,000 a year


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Katrina Styx of the Jordan Independent reports:

Both of the Jordan Public Schools referendum questions passed today.

The first question on the ballot passed 1,104 to 829. In doing so, voters approved a property tax increase that would bring the schools $375 per pupil, or about $565,000 per year during a period of 10 years.

The second question passed 996 to 935. In doing so, voters approved an additional $175 per pupil, or about $310,000 per year during a period of 10 years.

The school board has said that if the referendum passes, it would committed to sustaining the existing system and programs, as well as hiring teachers.

Katrina Styx is a staff writer for the Jordan Independent. She can be reached at kstyx@jordannews.com.


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So that is 57 percent of...

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So that is 57 percent of Jordan Public Schools' voters casting ballots in favor, while 43 percent were against referendum question No. 1.

And 52 percent favored question No. 2, while 48 percent voted against it.

(Mathias Baden is the editor of the Jordan Independent. He can be reached at editor@jordannews.com.)


Submitted by Mathias Baden on November 3, 2009 - 10:00pm.

Thank goodness that's...

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Mid-Life-Crisis's picture

Thank goodness that's over...

Ignoring the merits (on either side of this topic), I was (am) sick to death hearing about it...

The up side is now that the referendum has passed, we do not have to hear about this for the next 10 years!


Submitted by Mid-Life-Crisis on November 3, 2009 - 10:03pm.

One can only hope you're...

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One can only hope you're right ... I'd love to have at least one year here in MN where the school system isn't asking for more of my money - 10 years would be fantastic! Of course next will probably be the city wanting to get their portion ... then the county ... anyone else? Oh boy I can't wait!


Submitted by ITGuy on November 3, 2009 - 11:07pm.

6 months from now Jordan...

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6 months from now Jordan schools will be asking for more money


Submitted by tom53 on November 4, 2009 - 12:38am.

So where are all the...

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So where are all the anti-tax republicans today? they sure did not show at the polls, it must have been all those nice signs and little business cards that were handed out. More taxes for schools that under perform. Time to move.


Submitted by retired on November 3, 2009 - 11:30pm.

It was suggested by some of...

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It was suggested by some of the proponents that if the referendum DIDN'T pass, that folks would move away...

It seems "retired" 's sentiment is completely in contrast the face of what we were told.

These "theories" are just a small party of what makes me glad this circus merry-go-round is over.


Submitted by Mid-Life-Crisis on November 4, 2009 - 12:04am.

It frustrates me how I, the...

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It frustrates me how I, the student, who sees the schools from the inside every day has to watch voters try to solve our underperforming school by handing them money. They had plenty of money 5 years ago and blew through it and now they're crying. More importantly, throwing money at the district is NOT going to fix the problem. In a high school with way too many bad teachers and a far too easy curriculum, money is NOT the problem!!!


Submitted by jtownnerd on November 4, 2009 - 12:22am.

What then would you say is...

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What then would you say is the problem?

(Katrina Styx is a staff writer for the Jordan Independent. She can be reached at kstyx@jordannews.com.)


Submitted by Katrina Styx on November 4, 2009 - 12:25am.

Contrary to what you...

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Contrary to what you suggest, the correlation between property values and the quality of schools is not pulled out of someone's keyster.

http://www.cyberhomes.com/content/news/09-08-13/home-value-school.aspx

http://www.econ.yale.edu/seminars/labor/lap04/staiger-040506.pdf

http://cherokee.agecon.clemson.edu/wp040203.pdf

http://www.realtor.org/library/library/fg307

http://www.principalspartnership.com/propvalue.pdf

This is just a quick review of what is available online without going to any journal sites.


Submitted by tjeffery on November 4, 2009 - 12:24am.

Great! they can come buy my...

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Great! they can come buy my house


Submitted by retired on November 4, 2009 - 12:34am.

I lived in Fairfax County,...

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I lived in Fairfax County, Virginia, in my senior year of high school. It was, then, the most affluent county in the country. They had the #5 school district in the country for SAT, PSAT and ACT testing students and scores.

I confirm it is not bogus information and will attest that the best grades I ever got in my high school education came from that year in Virginia, better than any public school or private school I attended in Minnesota (and I attended to two: Minneapolis Southwest and DeLaSalle).

The referendum won't turn Jordan into the Fairfax County system, that would be next to impossible without breaking everyone's back, but it will definitely make you many rungs higher than even the best performing schools in Minneapolis, if you are not already. Getting students, staff, teachers and the rest access to better tools to teach and learn is the best thing possible for raising the bar on education and bringing more people to Jordan.


Submitted by ryancoleman on November 4, 2009 - 12:37am.

I would really hope that if...

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I would really hope that if the school system needed money again in 6 months that we would find a way to get it to them. Our schools do a fantastic job of managing money. Do we sometimes spend on things that we might not need at the time, Yes, however every business in the world does that and every person in the world also does that.

What I would like to see is the school quit having to have referendems. They should be able just to raise takes for schools just like cities can do and states can do without asking. Schools are a HUGE part of a community, if you think it or not, they are. Travel through the develoments around Jordan like River Ridge, Timberline, and Bridle Creek, ask the families of small children why they moved to Jordan and I will bet ya that the School System is in the top 2 reasons. Take a look at towns around Minnesota where the schools have fallen apart.....drive through them....see what they look like. We here in Jordan should be proud of our schools.

And last.....your right you have your opinion, like we all do....and if you really want to move, because of taxes, well then Move! If your tryinmg to avoid school taxes...you might have to move to dessert in Saudi Arabia, I don't think they have school taxes there.


Submitted by Jason Allen on November 4, 2009 - 7:53am.

I too am glad that this is...

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I too am glad that this is over. It was close. This means that about half the people went in and said no. This is no overwhelming mandate. It is an opportunity to rebuild.

All I ask is that our board members, new and old, put thought into every decision and not just reinstate all the cuts. Our schools did operate without the money. Please don't just throw the money at every new craze in education or every new contract that comes up. Use this money to invest wisely in the schools and the educational opportunities for the students of the district.

With 10% unemployment there are lots of people to fill shoes if you need to get rid of a few or a few decide to leave.

Ray Sandey


Submitted by Ray Sandey on November 4, 2009 - 8:11am.

Question #1 was to ONLY...

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Question #1 was to ONLY maintain what we currently have so that we do not have to cut any more staff or programs. It was not to reinstate any previous cuts. We've publicly stated that and we will abide by it. We can now continue to operate as is, still being fiscally responsible and not have to instill drastic budget cuts this spring. That has been widely communicated and will not change just because the referendum passed. This doesn't make our district rich, it only sustains us.

Question #2 is ONLY to reduce class sizes in those grades that are currently overwhlemed. The board has had a policy for years on how many students should be in each grade level's classroom. We haven't even been able to abide by our own policy. Passing this question gives us the opportunity to add up to 5 teachers back and get those class sizes under control.


Submitted by Tammy Will on November 4, 2009 - 8:40am.

Good response Jason. It was...

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Good response Jason. It was printed in the JI under one of the candidate's forum that he felt so many people running for positions on the school board must mean the community has a desire for change. The outcome of this election obviously says the majority feel our school board is doing a good job of managing the district. All 3 board members that ran for re-election were elected by a WIDE margin and the co-chair of the referendum committee was as well. That says the majority of our community supports our school system. Thank you to our community for having faith in the board and our schools!


Submitted by Tammy Will on November 4, 2009 - 8:24am.

Last night, before she wrote...

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Last night, before she wrote her stories, Katrina and I looked back a little bit at the 2001 and 2005 elections, which are probably the most comparable to this year's. The top four vote-getters this year have received an incredible vote of confidence from those who live in the District 717. Congratulations!

(Mathias Baden is the editor of the Jordan Independent. He can be reached at editor@jordannews.com.)


Submitted by Mathias Baden on November 4, 2009 - 8:41am.

In response to jtwonnerd, it...

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In response to jtwonnerd, it is difficult for a school to purchase new textbooks or add classes that are higher in difficulty etc when there isn't enough money to maintain what we have, much less make additions. This money will help things... we need to support our schools, it's our civic duty in my opinion. Without money to operate them, they won't exist, much less have anything 'great' to offer.


Submitted by bluemoon07 on November 4, 2009 - 8:42am.

The thing I need answered is...

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The thing I need answered is if it's about the kids, then why did the teachers wait to see if it passed before they negotiated their contract?? I'm gonna guess most of this money will go to the current staff, not textbooks, supplies, etc..


Submitted by Johnnie14 on November 4, 2009 - 9:14am.

The teachers have been in...

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The teachers have been in negotiations with the board for some time now. They've not reached an agreement yet, but they are tough negotiations.


Submitted by Tammy Will on November 4, 2009 - 9:33am.

The majority of school...

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The majority of school districts have not reached settlements at this point. Given the current economic conditions, status of state funding for schools, unknowns with health insurance, and, up until recently, unknown referendum results, that is not unusual. Additionally, there is no pressure to settle early as the deadline is not until January 15th.

According to an article in the Waseca paper, only 17 school districts as of October 23rd settled. You can read it for your self at http://www.wasecacountynews.com/news.php?viewStory=4032


Submitted by dhelke on November 7, 2009 - 10:01am.

look at the test scores and...

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look at the test scores and how they rank locally, and as to the school board raising taxes at will, I am glad you are obviously wealthy enough for that but there are people in this town who are being taxed out of there homes.


Submitted by retired on November 4, 2009 - 12:45pm.

Ok... I respect our...

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Ok... I respect our teachers, and think they deserve a fair wage.... But so do the Police Officers (who are paid by our taxes) - and if THEY can live with a wage freeze, and I have to live with a wage freeze, and much of America is having to find a way to live with a wage freeze, then I (who's money they are spending) expect to see the same for the Teachers...

THE PASSAGE OF THIS REFERENDUM SHOULD IN NO WAY AFFECT THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS...

And on a side note to our School Board...

It sure would be nice to see and End of Year report that shows US where OUR money went.... SPECIFICALLY.

Your budgets are made, so please make available to us, (the public who's money you are spending, and the constituents who voted you in) a simple list of things that were added to the current budget.

I know it would help put many of us at ease...


Submitted by Mid-Life-Crisis on November 4, 2009 - 2:40pm.

I couldn't agree more with...

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I couldn't agree more with your statement in bold:
"THE PASSAGE OF THIS REFERENDUM SHOULD IN NO WAY AFFECT THE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS..."

You are more than welcome to see the annual budget and expenses of the district at any time. It's public information so feel free to contact the Superintendent and set-up a time. The entire budget (line item by line item) is nearly 150 pages long so it's not something we can mail out to each home or easily put on the web page.

Again, please remember that nothing will be "added" to the budget because of the outcome of the referendum vote. This levy is to operate and maintain what we currently have. Question 2 does allow us to add teachers to reduce class sizes. When we do that, it will be made very public so that everyone can feel at ease.


Submitted by Tammy Will on November 5, 2009 - 7:45am.

Why can it not be put on the...

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Why can it not be put on the Web?
150 pages is a small document.
The entire book of Minnesota Statues is on the web.
As are various State and Federal budgets.
The tax payers of Jordan (and every school district) should demand this.


Submitted by Robert Thibodeaux on November 5, 2009 - 9:58am.

Budget information can be...

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Budget information can be put on the website. Belle Plaine and New Prague have their audit report on their website, as well as, some other documents. Burnsville and Shakopee have their adopted budget for 2009-10 by line item on their website.

Citizens want their government operations to be transparent and they should. Government officials need to understand their budgets more now than ever so they can communicate the need for specific line items and be most efficient in allocating the resources available.

The Jordan schools have made improvements in communicating information to the public. Maybe putting more budget related information on the website is an improvement they can work on next.


Submitted by dhelke on November 7, 2009 - 10:53am.

What bothers me is that...

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What bothers me is that non-home owners can vote how to spend my money. Why not make this a sales tax to raise money then we can hit everyone in town up for more money?


Submitted by jfelten9 on November 4, 2009 - 6:12pm.

Exactly ... wouldn't be as...

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Exactly ... wouldn't be as bad if there weren't 4 agencies wanting tax money. It's not that residents do not want to support the schools but there is too much competition for the same dollar. Some other answer - other than property tax increases - is needed in this state for sure.


Submitted by ITGuy on November 4, 2009 - 7:20pm.

It is really only a...

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It is really only a competition for public school districts because other governmental entities that have elected representatives do not have to seek referendum approval for increasing tax levies to raise additional operating revenue.

I agree completely that the manner in which schools are funded needs to be significantly changed. If I remember correctly Governor Ventura did make efforts to reduce the burden on property taxes for funding schools, but as the state started to experience their own budget difficulties, more and more of that burden as been put back on property taxes.


Submitted by dhelke on November 7, 2009 - 10:06am.

I have been following this...

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I have been following this referendum very carefully as have most of the people I have seen posting on this site. A significant number of you disagree with my position and the converse is also true. However, there are a couple of sentiments I have read which give me optimism. As well as illustrate why this process works.

First, it seems that most everyone who has posted has prefaced their statements with an endorsement of the faculty, students and/or importance of our schools. Sure there are a few exceptions but it seems most have a heartfelt desire to see our schools and students excel.

Second, I can find points on which I DO agree with the other perspective. Passing this referendum is not the end. What is done with this funding will determine the success, or failure, of this vote. How effectively and efficiently this money is alloted will be the yard stick used to measure success.

That is alot of pressure, however I (we) have voted for the school board through a democratic process and I, for one, trust these people 100% to do what they have been charged with doing - spend this money wisely to assure that our schools continue to improve and our students (our future) benefit. Congratulations to all those who were elected on Tuesday. Thank you for your involvement in our schools and our community. Know that I trust all of you to do your best.


Submitted by tjeffery on November 4, 2009 - 10:32pm.

I realize everyone has...

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I realize everyone has strong feelings on the referendum.

We are in negotiations with the teachers and it is a long process. A process that requires we settle by January 15th or the district will be fined by the state $25.00 for each student. Its a little like playing a basketball game and having the shot clock run for only one team. I would like to answer a couple of questions I didn't get to.

The district was required by law to do mailngs of sample ballots to every household.

We will not get any money until next year from the referendum.

We are not an under preforming district we need to work to improve, but our being on the AYP list was due to a very small portion of our student population. Unfortunately if one group of students fails the entire school is labeled as failing.

I have heard how we don't have good teachers and we don't prepare students for college. I would really like examples not just meaningless statements. We educate all students. Fast learners, slow learners, students with special needs, and students who really don't want to be in school. When you get to college you usually have stronger students who want to do well because they are paying to learn!

The school audit is being presented Monday the 9th at 6:00 feel free to attend.

My statement in the JI about the work not being done is true. If State funding was fair we would not be asking for additional taxpayer money.

Those of you who are complaining about your taxes or the school wasting money you need to work with the district and fix state funding. Ask yourselves why metro districts get more money per student than we do, almost twice as much. Ask yourselves why Northern districts like ELY get almost $2,000.00 per student more than we do.

Our local representatives believe zip codes shouldn't matter when it comes to student funding. Why not talk to them and work to put pressure on the state to change funding. Why not work with members of the referendum, and other districts to solve this issue. 7 people on a board can't put enough pressure to create change, but an entire town might be able to.

Then again it may be just easier to hide in the shadows and complain.


Submitted by DanBuresh on November 6, 2009 - 6:21pm.

I'd be glad to work with the...

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I'd be glad to work with the "local representatives", but who are they? Maybe the fair for kids campaign could continue their efforts by focusing on a real long term solution that everyone could get behind ... and help the local Joe figure out who to talk to and how they can help influence change. Otherwise we'll all be doing this again next year.


Submitted by ITGuy on November 7, 2009 - 3:17pm.

Senator Clair Robling and...

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Senator Clair Robling and Representative Mark Buesgens were at a school board meeting this past spring. The board advertised the meeting and not one taxpayer came. They both are regulars at local civic groups. I'm sure we could invite them to talk about school finance and what they need us to do. The fair for kids campaign has shown interest in working toward a better more long term solution to school finance.


Submitted by DanBuresh on November 7, 2009 - 3:55pm.

Dan, if you're talking about...

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Dan, if you're talking about the School Board meeting they were at, I was there. I pay taxes, too.

But your point is that turn out was sparse, and that's true. To think that almost half of the voters in this town would not exercise their right to vote is a sad commentary indeed.


Submitted by Thom Boncher on November 8, 2009 - 12:16pm.

ITGuy, do you go to School...

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ITGuy, do you go to School Board meetings? Did you attend any of the Fair For Kids meetings? Your suggestion that FFK continue their efforts is an excellent idea. Maybe you should talk to Sandy Burke or Lauren Pederson, or any one of dozens of people in FFK, and offer your help to begin lobbying for more equitable state education funding.

You could be a leader in this community, but it requires some effort.

Asking questions on the internet is very public, but generally it's not a good way to get decent answers.


Submitted by Thom Boncher on November 8, 2009 - 12:27pm.

Thanks Thom! I know that...

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Thanks Thom! I know that some people on our committee have talked about continuing on and trying to help the school district in other ways. Lauren and I have talked about lobbying for changes in education funding as well - we need lots of people doing it though or it will be mostly ineffective.

Change on that scale will take time and lots of effort - so I look forward to having lots of people step up to do so! This would be a great way to feel like you are doing something for your community. It is often hard to know what to do to help - so Thom has suggested a great way to put your best foot forward and help out!


Submitted by SBurke on November 10, 2009 - 12:16am.

Allow me to provide a little...

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Allow me to provide a little history for your understanding the K-12 education funding in our state.
First, I would suggest that you review an excellent legislative history in a chronological order found at: http://education.state.mn.us/mdeprod/groups/Finance/documents/Publicatio...
Secondly, I would like to share my own efforts to provide greater equity in our funding for the Jordan School District and other Scott County school districts. As my youngest son, Richard, approached his fifth birthday in January 1986, I understood the great disparity due to my service on the Education Committee of the Minnesota House of Representatives from this area. At my own expense my son and I traveled with another concerned Minnesotan, an Apple Valley-Rosemount School Board member, around the state for two days to try and heighten awareness of all Minneostans that my son would not received the same funding for his education as many other Minnesota youngsters only because of the geographic location of his home. We distributed “Poor Richard’s Almanac” to media outlets and educators all over Minnesota. I was chief author of House File 1760 which would have provided greater equity in funding. Obviously, the measure was unsuccessful or this discussion would not be necessary. I should also remind the reader that the funding inequity is not unique to Minnesota. Court cases have been brought over the years.
Tom Rees – State Representative from 1979-82 and 1985-6.


Submitted by 1ScottRep on November 10, 2009 - 11:14am.

From a "it's about the...

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From a "it's about the kids"(students) perspective,
It is my understanding that the teachers are almost settled. It has generally taken until November every year to finalize contracts. Usually it seems to be the wording inside the contracts is the largest discussion. There are many districts that have not settled.
I am sensitive to the frustration that some feel about the economy. My husband had a great job with health care benefits of $275 for family. That is unheard of, but life was grand (er). Then, in April he was laid off, as was the rest of Minnesota, right? It came down to paying the mortgage or trying to carry the health insurance offered at school. For me, it has been the mortgage. So I pray everyday that my children stay healthy. Now my husband is "back" to work; he had to accept a a temporary job, which will hopefully turn into benefits again soon.
I still go to school everyday with a smile on my face. I still sing to my students to help them to learn. I still stay after school until 4:30 or 5:00 almost everyday to help students without extra compensation because IT IS ABOUT THE KIDS. No matter what anyone says, Jordan teachers have always "CARED ABOUT KIDS". I have a certificate from when I was a kid that says so. I even laminated it. Thank you, Jordan teachers for yesterday, tomorrow, and for a long time into the future.


Submitted by angelika on November 7, 2009 - 12:45am.

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