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Voices in graveyard mention Billy the Kid; ghost hunter investigates


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The news came by e-mail: “Hi Mathias. I may have an interesting story brewing for you,” Jordan resident Kathy Machowski, a ghost hunter a founding member of Beyond the Veil, wrote earlier this fall. “I was in a graveyard not to far from Jordan, and I was doing my ghostie thing. Well, I got an EVP of a man saying, ‘William Bonney.’”

Electronic voice phenomena (EVP) are sound recordings believed to be the voice of a spirit. Often, EVP’s are not heard at first, but after an investigation, ghost hunters analyze recordings to catch signs of a ghost. Cemeteries are very active with EVP’s, Machowski said.

One of Machowski’s recent EVP’s was distinct and quizzical. Someone had mentioned William Bonney, an alias used by Billy the Kid.

“I thought, Wow ... William Bonney has never been known to have been in Minnesota,” the e-mail from Machowski continued. “I am going to be going back to see if I can get more EVP’s and to check the headstones.”

The ghost hunter returned twice to the Lydia Zion United Methodist Church cemetery in Spring Lake Township, talking and recording. The first time, her EVP’s turned up a woman who did not mention the frontier outlaw, who according to legend, killed 21 men, one for each year of his life.

The number is disputed.

As was his death, Machowski said.

The man who claimed to have killed Billy the Kid never received the bounty placed on the head of his notorious prize, Machowski said. The gravesite of Billy the Kid, born Henry McCarty, is unknown.

“With all this information, could he have survived?” Machowski said in an interview. “Maybe. Can’t say.”

Machowski’s suspicion had been that he was buried in Lydia, but her search – even for aliases, including his dearest friend’s names – ended empty handed.

But after a short ghost hunt last week with the Jordan Independent staff, she analyzed her recordings and wrote another e-mail:

“There was a man and a woman there at the graveyard when we were there. Some of the voices are very faint and hard to hear. … When I asked about dropping the name of William Bonney, I got a woman saying, ‘Fame.’”

Then, in the same location as she had recorded the first mention of William Bonney, she recorded a man saying, “He’s dead.”

A friend of hers searched the gravestones for Billy the Kid’s aliases, as well. He did not find any, but he searched for the birth certificates of the deceased. One of them could not be found, raising further suspicion with Machowski.

“That place isn’t that big,” Machowski said in an interview. “And a lot of them have the same name, because you know, a family-oriented town.”

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Machowski, who plans to return for more recordings, said it’s just another mystery worth pursuing.

SHADOWS ON 169

For the past three years, she has been working on a book about true Minnesota ghost stories. She has investigated dozens of potential hauntings with Beyond the Veil, a group of paranormal investigators that she founded.

Another recent hunt about which Machowski has written in her popular blog at www.jordannews.com/community/blog/kathy-ghost-hunter is what she calls the Highway 169 shadow man.

Three times, while driving near Belle Plaine, she has seen a shadow in the form of a person walking across the highway. Before her eyes, its legs melted into nothingness, she said. “It wasn’t a human being that I’m seeing.”

She’s received reports of up to three shadow men in a field near there, as well, and she has a couple of theories.

One thought is that the deadly 1863 Native American walk from St. Paul to Mankato left spirits behind. During the Dakota Conflict, 38 Dakota warriors were taken in the middle of the night, forced to walk some 90 miles, and hung in Mankato.

Machowski has heard of a car fire accident near the stretch of highway where the sightings occur. There were four victims.

She said an overgrown cemetery is located between Jordan and Belle Plaine, near the location, as well.

For now, they are merely theories. Machowski plans to investigate her theories further.

“I was really pushing for it was the Indians who were killed needlessly,” Machowski said.

Machowski is always looking for new locations to investigate. There is no cost for Beyond the Veil’s services. Machowski can be reached at 612-605-5362 or kathy@michael-rennie.com.

Mathias Baden is the editor of the Jordan Independent. He can be reached at editor@jordannews.com.




Kathy the ghost hunter also...

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Kathy the ghost hunter also runs classes in paranormal investigations. Feel free to contact her if you are interested.

(Mathias Baden is the editor of the Jordan Independent. He can be reached at editor@jordannews.com.)


Submitted by Mathias Baden on October 30, 2009 - 11:41am.

When I heard the name...

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When I heard the name William Bonney, I was as surprised as every one else. My first thought was a Walking Spirit. Billy the Kid is know to have lived in Arizona, New Mexico area and not has been known to be up this far north.

I looked to see if there was a possibility that Billy the Kid may have lived in Minnesota. What I found that there is a mystery surrounding Billy the Kids death.
Let’s review the facts:

William Bonney was highly thought of by many people. He really was considered well read, well spoken and well mannered. It was circumstances that happened in his early years and the time that he lived in that made him an outlaw.

Pat Garrett and Billy were good friends and they had nick names for each other.

The man (witness) with Pat Garrett at the time of the shooting did not know Billy.

There was no public viewing of Billy’s body.

There were 2 death certificates for Billy. Pat Garrett did not like the first one the judge made and insisted on a new one.

Pat Garrett never collected the bounty that was on Billy.

Could Pat Garrett, knowing the real person that Billy was, allowed him to escape to live out his life quietly some where else and allowed him to become the man is was meant to be? If this is true, Billy had 2 choices, to go east or north past Kansas.

Let’s consider the possibility that Billy did survive. If Billy did wonder around looking for a place to live with out anyone knowing him, Lydia would have been perfect. Lydia is a lovely small close knit town with Jordan being the closest large city. There wouldn’t be a chance for any one to have wonder into town who would have known him. With his charming well mannered ways, I also can see that he may soon have won the hearts of the people and had settled down, perhaps marrying a girl from the area.

Some may think that this idea may seem far fetched. In my exploration of the cemetery, I did get a man saying William Bonney on my recorder. I had considered the possibility that this may be a voice from a wondering spirit. Perhaps it was a spirit of one of the past residents just wanting to shake up the town of Lydia and bring attention to the tiny cemetery. Getting a name either first or last is rare; Rarer still, is getting a full name as clear as that one was.

Kathy from
Minnesota's Beyond the Veil
http://www.freewebs.com/oldsoul/


Submitted by Kathy Ghost hunter on November 1, 2009 - 2:16pm.

Kathy Ghost Hunter,...

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Kathy Ghost Hunter,
Very interesting & thank you for posting these issues.
I agree, in fact Billy was quite a lady's man, & often filled the surrounding area with laughter. He treated women very well & left generous Southern Hospitality gifts as payments for their services!
It's strictly my opinion, but I believe Billy's [circumstances, as you call it], happened over a split second decision, which Billy had to make a choice which resulted in Billy's quick hand of actions. I believe during this time, Pat Garrett was there, witnessed the incident, & perhaps may have been the person saved that day, by Billy's 're'action, response! I believe Billy saved Pat's life that day, & during the time of Billy's supposed death, Pat repaid his debt to Billy, by covering up, sweeping under the table, the real facts, that indeed Pat turned his back, as Billy rode away!
Now in reference to Billy's ghost possibly being in Minnesota, yes, it is possible, based on the fact that, anything is possible! However, Billy's ghost could have been visiting a lady friends' burial site, or one of his Pals' burial site, or perhaps more importantly, **just somebody that in some kind of way, touched him during his young life, in a special way, kindheartedly, buried there!
It's also true that Billy got along very well with store owners & store keepers. Billy was a switch out, custom revolver specialist! He'd substitute parts from one brand new pistol, with parts from another, which changed the handling, weight & performance of the firearm, to the way he was accustomed to! He was strictly a right handed shooter! He had at least 2, one being cross drawn, & a lot of times, not in plain view! He seldom carried one in the small of his back, but it was very uncomfortable, & chilled him!
Where he went after Garrett's retreat, nobody knows for sure! I wish I could meet with you & go there, but that's out of the question, presently. Perhaps I'd be able to get a few more answers, & fill in a few more blanks. I have a copy photo of him, from the museum, I have up on my wall, beside one of me, close to the same age. The resemblences would knock your socks off! I wouldn't be surprised to find out I may be related to him, but still working on that.
Again, thank you Kathy for posting. You may contact me personally, which we could continue a little further, if you wish. I'd like to know what kind of recorder your using, & if your using an external microphone?
Please keep me posted about anything 'Billy the Kid'!
Much obliged, NobodySpecial


Submitted by NobodySpecial on November 25, 2009 - 10:28am.

Interesting!...

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Interesting!


Submitted by potsonna on November 21, 2009 - 12:41pm.

When I was young I went out...

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When I was young I went out to what used to be Mud Baden with my buddy Bud and visited with his Grandpa Bud D. who was maintenance there. I do not know if he was trying to scare us or just telling stories. He told us of how the elevator there would go up and down without assistance and usually around the same times each day and they had found nothing wrong with it. He told us of how Al Capone and some of his gang used to frequent the baths and the nearby hotel (probably because the train tracks were so close) which was later backed up by multiple resident elders. I have heard the stories of a ghostly cowboy who used to hand around the grave yard between here and Belle Plaine… I just love the stories even if I personally can not rationally accept there credibility, they are none the less entertaining. So it is totally feasible that in his day William Bonney did travel through our town (as it does border a major river that he may have not been surpass) and his ghost could still be trying to get somewhere.... you just have to choose to believe and yes I had actually listened to these stories from more than one resident in the distant pass.


Submitted by elkes4 on November 21, 2009 - 2:06pm.

Elkes we agree!!!! I...

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Elkes we agree!!!! I personally don't believe in ghosts or the paranormal, but I love reading your stories Kathy!


Submitted by Twinsfan14 on November 21, 2009 - 2:51pm.

It is ok to agree and even...

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It is ok to agree and even disagree, acceptance is what makes us a community.... and besides, no one will want me to come back as a ghost, because sometimes they want to run away from me screaming and I am still alive!!!! maybe its not the same, but still if you think about it, it is funny. There are loads of stories that used to flow through this town, most were mainly because someone did not want to get to know someone else and they seemed mysterious so someone created a story of how they were so evil etc. In almost every occasion if you walked up to the door and said "Hi!" That older lady who popped the kick balls and tied up kids in her basement, would just say hi back and some times give you candy!!!!!!! really "Bill"... and you kept the candy for yourself the whole time!!! now that is a true story.


Submitted by elkes4 on November 21, 2009 - 8:53pm.

Thanks Twins, and elkes4. I...

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Thanks Twins, and elkes4. I am glad you like my stories.
I have been on some new cases and had some interesting things happen and I will post them when I can. Right now I am trying to catch up with school. Yes this old lady went back to school.
Elks, I did write a story about the Sulphur springs being haunted which is now the regional training facility in Mudbaden.

I couldn’t find the link for that, so I may have to repost the story if you’re interested. When I was there, I did find some spirits. An old person followed us around and I did finally get very a voice of her. There was also a man on the 3rd floor who came up to me and called me mam. They wouldn’t let me come back with my team, but I am guessing that once these fearless firefighters and police people start experiencing some activity it might unnerve them enough to have me come back so we can cross these poor lost souls over. At least that is my hope. I hate thinking of that poor old woman begging for help and I can’t do anything for her.

Kathy from
Minnesota's Beyond the Veil
http://www.freewebs.com/oldsoul/


Submitted by Kathy Ghost hunter on November 24, 2009 - 5:29pm.

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